Look at their URL:
I wonder if they are running on AIX also...
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| | jim in Tennessee
1 Tuesday, 04 March 2008 15:52:09 EET |
| | Mika -
Huzzah for Finnish law enforcement! I enjoy seeing the Domino favicon at Symantec, they use it for support documents and other areas, I believe.
Best regards from another AIX | Domino admirer.
jim
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2 Tuesday, 04 March 2008 16:38:49 EET |
| | Mika, you are ridiculous! You cencored the link that criticizes finnish police forces acted like one in northern korea! Are you afraid or what? Read what is behind the link before you remove something. Or are you asslicker of finish authority?
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| | Mika
3 Wednesday, 05 March 2008 02:00:34 EET |
| | I don't want to criticize anyone who uses Domino! :)
Although your link was formally decent, it might be misunderstood by some people. I don't mind criticism, but I don't like words or terms which can be misunderstood and can cause negative feelings in people. I agree that it should be the most natural thing to be allowed to discuss any topic, but there are people who don't understand this yet, and we have to tolerate those people, and avoid discussions about certain topics, no matter if it's meant positive or negative.
You don't also say the F-word in places where it might cause negative feelings in other people, but you can use a substitutive word like "Beautiful Flowers", or "frack" like in Battlestar Galactica.
And I think also that the Police is just doing their job, and they are just doing what they are told to do. The real target for criticism are thus the parties who people voted to be people who voted for the parties who are now in the parlament of Finland.
I want also Finland to be a more free country, and have more respect to each citizen's personal freedom and give them more possibilities to make their own choices. Currently there is not enough freedom and respect to people's own choices, as many things are decided by the parlament, and the citizens are not asked what they really want.
I don't also always understand the majority of Finnish people. They demand more freedom, more democratic votes, less taxes, but what do they do? They do exactly the opposite and vote for parties which are mostly against all of those principles. It's either so that most people just vote what is in fashion and go with the mass (maybe they don't want to feel like loosers if their party didn't win, if they have a lack of self esteem), or they don't really think and study what each party is planning to do.
Sometimes I also see that the labels of the parties have to be understood in a political way: when a party has the word "democratic" in it, it usually means "communistic". When there is the word "patriotic" it means "radical", when there is the word "green" it means "hippies".
So, don't criticize the police, but criticize the people who wanted them to be like that. After all, this is still a democratic country *knocking wood*, and we can vote for our parlament every 4 years. But it might not always be so, if people keep blindly voting for parties which might just one nice day revoke all democratic votes, or make them meaningless...
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4 Wednesday, 05 March 2008 09:53:11 EET |
| | Well well well. You´re totaqlly lost. Again.
Lets clarify few points here;
"I don't mind criticism, but I don't like words or terms which can be misunderstood and can cause negative feelings in people." -> Words themselves are anodynes. Every "feelings" comes from the individual.
"I agree that it should be the most natural thing to be allowed to discuss any topic, but there are people who don't understand this yet, and we have to tolerate those people, and avoid discussions about certain topics, no matter if it's meant positive or negative." -> In northern korea, yes. In Finland we do not need to. In Finland we can discuss any topics we want to and if there are individuals that "do not understand" that finland has a freedom of speech, it is THEIR problem. Besides there was NO discussion behind the link, there was an information how police of finland tramps the constitution law of finland.
"You don't also say the F-word in places where it might cause negative feelings in other people" -> No F-word mentioned anywhere...
"And I think also that the Police is just doing their job, and they are just doing what they are told to do." -> Nope. As you could also see yourself if you just read the page. There is also finnish page available for it seems you do not understand written english...
"The real target for criticism are thus the people who voted for the parties who are now in the parlament of Finland." -> Nope. This is not northern korea or similar. Peoples has the right to vote whoever they like without criticism. It is called as free democracy, despite you like it or not.
"many things are decided by the parlament, and the citizens are not asked what they really want." -> Actually this is not this simple. In theory the parliament has the "power" to enact a law BUT! In most cases the preparation of a legislative proposal is made in (relevant)ministerial and... (too complicated to explain all here, you can find the info if you like). So (related also to previous chapter) it really does not matter so much WHO representative and from WHICH party sits in the parliament for civil servants (not chosen by election) mostly made the preparation.
"I don't also always understand the majority of Finnish people. They demand more freedom, more democratic votes, less taxes, but what do they do? They do exactly the opposite and vote for parties which are mostly against all of those principles. " -> We are living in the razors blade. Most important thing is that the country works AND there is certain stability and continuity. So long everything is MOSTLY allright when the "three giants" ARE "three giants". Go wherever from the middle you "step on somebodys shoes" and the dissatisfaction proliferates. Me, personally, do not want to see burning cars, violent riots etc. in Finland. Do you? And if you do, are you TOTALLY sure YOU will not be the victim? I have certain... power... to use, what YOU have? (Which meand PERSONALLY I am more safe than average. STILL I do not want that happens)
"So, don't criticize the police, but criticize the people who wanted them to be like that." -> Back to the beginning. NOBODY wants the police to act illegal. Still they did. Not fault of parliament, not fault of "majority of Finnish people" but fault of themselves.
EOD from my side.
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